tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4087129361394881369.post2746079983454894097..comments2024-01-01T23:55:58.287-05:00Comments on Teachable Moment: This the City BelievesJohnhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09953978758820288029noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4087129361394881369.post-40336350647610594542010-02-26T08:56:23.237-05:002010-02-26T08:56:23.237-05:00John,
The DOE's slant on rubber rooms reminds ...John,<br />The DOE's slant on rubber rooms reminds me of Orwell's critique of political language as "designed to make lies sound truthful ... and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind."<br /><br />You underestimate the ease with which the UFT could refute the the lies of the DOE and Post.<br /><br />Mulgrew need only borrow the very smart posts on Chaz School Daze, Accountable Talk, and the ICE blog.Philip Nobilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01056036270116730837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4087129361394881369.post-1614902579565391042010-02-26T08:02:03.143-05:002010-02-26T08:02:03.143-05:00Matthew-
Couldn't have said it better myself....Matthew-<br /><br />Couldn't have said it better myself.<br /><br />Phillip-<br /><br />You're right, the UFT has not done a good job fighting back. They let the DOE define the battleground and then act surprised when it doesn't favor them. Frankly, if I were them, I wouldn't want to talk about the rubber room at all. It's too easy for the DOE (or the Post) to caricature the union's position on that one. Half of winning a PR battle is making sure it's on territory and using terms that favor you. The DOE has done this very well. The UFT has not.<br /><br />JohnJohnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09953978758820288029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4087129361394881369.post-38220139086197524072010-02-25T11:32:03.735-05:002010-02-25T11:32:03.735-05:00If the UFT has lost public opinion, it's becau...If the UFT has lost public opinion, it's because the UFT has not fought <br />back. For example, The Teacher has not done a story on rubber room atrocities since 2007. Mulgrew NEVER attacks the school cops (OSI & SCI)for their corrupt investigations. Though he promised a big pushback at yesterday's DA, I wonder how committed he is to the defense of us <br />miserables.Philip Nobilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01056036270116730837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4087129361394881369.post-85469645015557904812010-02-25T11:04:30.741-05:002010-02-25T11:04:30.741-05:00John and Phillip,
As a NYC public school parent a...John and Phillip,<br /><br />As a NYC public school parent and taxpayer my interest in the success of my (and all our) children's educational outcomes balances my concerns for fiscal restraint at a time when the City is clearly not as flush as before.<br /><br />Phillip, to John's point the Mayor has won this battle. While I often question whether the rise in test scores is truly an indication of improved educational outcomes, most voters and pundits in the chattering classes do not. <br /><br />As tax payers many of us see the salaries and benefits that UFT members get as generous in this day and age (and mind you I am married to someone who is a F-status position, so I am indirectly feeding at this trough.) I am an at will employee in my job, have a defined contribution (not defined benefit) retirement and no more job protections than my 14th amendment rights to due process and the lawyer I can afford to hire to help me. As humiliating as you may find the rubber room, it's more than most workers get, so there is an irony that you don't necessarily 'appreciate' what you have.<br /><br />By failing to address (effectively) the split between the needs of more senior and new members, the UFT has done all its members a diservice, allowing itself to be painted as out of touch and self-interested. And the people at ICE sure don't help matters. <br /><br />If the deck is stacked in favor of labor at New York state arbitrations, the union may prevail. But as John says, in the court of public opinion the battle is much harder. <br /><br />Like John, I am not judging Philip guilty of any crimes. But I'm confident the general public feels little sympathy for the plight of the UFT in these negotiationsMatthewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08168392223020549372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4087129361394881369.post-37962330324827373572010-02-25T08:41:29.336-05:002010-02-25T08:41:29.336-05:00John,
I got the obvious PR point of your post. But...John,<br />I got the obvious PR point of your post. But you sounded like Steve Brill when you condemned rubber roomers like me who haven't had a chance to answer charges. Thanks to your clarification all is forgiven.Philip Nobilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01056036270116730837noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4087129361394881369.post-62516622497722889772010-02-25T08:31:16.862-05:002010-02-25T08:31:16.862-05:00Good commentary John!
Philip - rubber rooms and ...Good commentary John! <br /><br />Philip - rubber rooms and the ATR are a waste of my tax money. It's crazy to pay you to sit and wait. You should be suspended without pay until your investigation is done and you are proven innocent or guilty, but let's face it, most of these teachers are guilty of something...<br /><br />If you're innocent, then give you backpay. Until then, don't complain about waiting around in a room doing nothing while you collect a paycheck. Easiest unemployment ever - atleast real unemployment they make you look for a job!SupportKidsnotAdultsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4087129361394881369.post-44520676437810091222010-02-25T07:34:57.251-05:002010-02-25T07:34:57.251-05:00Philip-
Before we get into throwing around terms ...Philip-<br /><br />Before we get into throwing around terms like "dumb" and "disgraceful", let's look at what I'm actually trying to say.<br /><br />The point I'm making in that section of the post is that the city has won the PR battles on each of those issues. The rubber room is a great example of that. You're absolutely right that the people in the room haven't been proved to have done anything wrong and, as such, are presumed to be innocent. Or at least that should be the presumption. But is that the way it's being viewed as the public watches these negotiations take place? My sense is no. If you don't believe me, go up to people the next time you're on the subway. Tell them that you're in the DOE's rubber room and see how they respond. Fair or not, the assumptions are out there. <br /><br />Obviously negotiations are a tough thing and there are multiple sides to each of the contractual sticking points. The point I tried to make in my post is that the city has won the PR battle on each of those points and they think that will give them the upper hand in the negotiations.<br /><br />I won't ask you to retract your comment because I appreciate the chance to explain myself a little more fully. Thanks for reading.Johnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09953978758820288029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4087129361394881369.post-41710728936995104952010-02-25T05:21:40.651-05:002010-02-25T05:21:40.651-05:00"There are another group of teachers (the rub..."There are another group of teachers (the rubber room) who shouldn't be teaching but are still getting paid to not teach."<br /><br />This comment is simply dumb: Almost all rubber room teachers,including me, are WAITING for investigations or hearing to be completed. Many are returned to schools when the allegations are not substantiated. Others win their hearings. <br /><br />Your rush to judgment is disgraceful. Please retract.Philip Nobilehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01056036270116730837noreply@blogger.com